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9_Nines

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Last season, the concerns of his low release did not materialize as his passes were not tipped much.

Are his current camp interceptions due to tips?  Is his low release a real concern now?

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The only time his release seems to be an issue is in how it affects his accuracy on quick out-type passes near the LOS.

Most of his INTs are either throwing into coverage or throwing to single coverage, but the DB either jumped the route or just made a play on the ball.


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Could be our DBs have improved too.  I think in TC, you find out what will work and then drop the other stuff almost altogether.  It's possible they have him throwing to guys running routes that he wouldn't select later on. 


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I wouldn't read to much into the camp INTS... or preseason either for that matter. Like HOTT said you try crap when it doesn't count so you know what to do when it does count....



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Found an interesting (albeit lengthy) read on another board re: QB mechanics....

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showpost.php?p=542164&postcount=13

An excerpt...

What appears to be the release point is determined by the shoulder angle of the quarterback. There are several quarterbacks in the NFL employing a very nice tight delivery with no wasted motion. My personal list would include the following quarterbacks - Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Vince Young, Jay Cutler and Peyton Manning.

What is fun are the releases that look different but are very mechanically sound. Rivers and Young's releases are among the most fun because you hear so many "expert's" who don't have a clue about throwing mechanics criticize the release without understanding the fundamentals.

......For the really quick releases like Marino, Elway, Rivers and believe it or not Young they tend to turn their trunks in a very flat lateral motion. Because the shortest distance in throwing a football is a straight line this results in a quick release. Also it is very accurate because there isn't as much vertical action for the release to contend with.

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Most of his ints are due to tips imo, in games and even in camp


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Most of his ints are due to tips imo, in games and even in camp


???

I only remember one interception resulting from a tipped ball last year, against Baltimore.  And since the ball was 5 yards past the LOS when it was tipped,  I don't think it was so much a problem with Vince's throwing motion as it was an excellent play by Haloti Ngata.
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          Nope , just a guy thats still learning and one that sometimes tries too hard to put the square peg in the round hole. The camp stats at the moment mean squat , its a practise and you got no pressure so you might as well take the risks...so what ?
          As a matter of interest has VY worked with anyone at all in the off-season with his mechanics either officially or unofficially ? It doesn't bother me , I'm just interested.
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          As a matter of interest has VY worked with anyone at all in the off-season with his mechanics either officially or unofficially ? It doesn't bother me , I'm just interested.


I think Chow stated earlier (end of season) that he would mainly work on Young's footwork, during off-season, not throwing. 

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Most of his ints are due to tips imo, in games and even in camp

I think the original question was specifically in the context of balls getting tipped at the LOS because of a low release point.

That's not a recurring problem for Young.    He has thrown a few into zone/double coverage where one guy tipped it and someone else came down with it.
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Was watching some of the news sports coverage with a few of Young's INTs and it occurred to me that on more than one occasion, there is a new guy -- rookie WR or Moulds -- on the other end.

Which also leaves open the possibility that the receiver is making the QB look bad sometimes not being where he should.

This struck me particularly on Reynaldo Hill's INT yesterday, which I wasn't close enough to see in detail live, but from the TV angle, it seemed pretty clear that the receiver (I think it was Ealy) was turning outside and the ball went to the inside -- and right to Hill.

No doubt VY has made some bad throws this camp where he didn't place the ball in the best spot to avoid the INT, or he threw into coverage.   But some of these other INTs could easily be on the receivers for running the wrong routes.


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The only time his release seems to be an issue is in how it affects his accuracy on quick out-type passes near the LOS.
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That's an ugly throw for him. He looked awful on that quick out most of last year.

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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have gotten better.  And that's kind of scary.

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Its a good question. I think its just drills, not necessarily plays from our playbook to say. This early into TC it mostly physical drills so the players can get their feet wet, but thats what I just think. Another factor with the 7-7 I think Vince is not allowed to scramble because theres no hitting a QB so most of the time he has to throw the ball.
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